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Post by Iain Dooley on Sept 8, 2016 11:09:43 GMT
Here is a list of minor parties who I think we could build a broad anti-neoliberal/MMT based platform with:
21st Century Australia Party Animal Justice Party Australian Antipaedophile Party Australian Cyclists Party Australian Defence Veterans Party Australian Equality Party (Marriage) Australian Liberty Alliance Australian Recreational Fishers Party Australian Sex Party Bullet Train for Australia Citizens Electoral Council of Australia Consumer Rights & No-Tolls CountryMinded Drug Law Reform Australia Glenn Lazarus Team Health Australia Party Help End Marijuana Prohibition Jacqui Lambie Network John Madigan's Manufacturing and Farming Party Katter's Australian Party Liberal Democratic Party Mature Australia Party Nick Xenophon Team Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting) Online Direct Democracy – (Empowering the People!) Palmer United Party Pirate Party Australia Renewable Energy PartyScience Party Secular Party of Australia Seniors United Party of Australia Socialist Alliance Socialist Equality Party The Arts Party The Australian Mental Health Party Voluntary Euthanasia Party
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Post by jhermans on Sept 9, 2016 2:34:35 GMT
Here are my issues with some of the parties I'm aware of on that list. I'm not saying they cannot be worked around, although they should be acknowledged.
21st Century Australia Party - Run by an egotistic rent seeker named Jamie McIntyre, probably has a power fetish. Some policies of issue: - tobacco prohibition for people born after 2000 - "Independent" aka technocratic management of govt spending, believes this should be modelled on "RBA independence" - Nonsense dole reform
Animal Justice Party - Fundamentalist vegan Animal *Rights* activists. Believe animals hold a position of equality with humans and that using animals amounts to enslavement/murder. - Ban live exports (would simply increase live export share among countries with even shoddier animal welfare) - Advocate ridiculous policies around controlling dangerous pests in Aus. They want to make things "non-lethal", despite cane toads, foxes and feral cat's killing far more native fauna.
Australian Liberty Alliance - Basically what the LNP would look like if the more centrist Liberals like Turnbull all left the party in the hands of Abbott and the Nationals. Anti-Islam, protectionist, pro-GST and work-for-the-dole.
Citizens Electoral Council of Australia - Die hard LaRouchian conspiracy theorists. Strongly for war on drugs, re-establishment of a fixed exchange rate type Bretton Woods system and Glass-Stegall.
Katter's Australian Party - Incarnation of Katter's ego. I doubt he'd relinquish his independence.
Liberal Democratic Party - Libertarian Right. I doubt they'd relinquish independence or support MMT type policies.
Nick Xenophon Team - Incarnation of Xenophon's ego. I doubt he'd relinquish his independence now he holds the balance of power.
Online Direct Democracy - Good group although very non-partisan, I doubt they'd relinquish independence.
Palmer United Party - Incarnation of Palmer's ego. Now dead in the water along side Palmer.
Science Party - Good party although fairly independent due to their founder's ego.
Socialist Alliance - Die hard left ideologues and very independent Socialist Equality Party - ^^^ (These parties have existed alongside each other for years, yet even so they still haven't bothered to form a coalition. I think one is Leninist and the other is Trotskyist)
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Post by dsansenbong on Sept 9, 2016 4:50:41 GMT
For what it's worth, I think this is a great idea. We shouldn't be trying to re-invent the wheel here.
I recall Bill Mitchell talking in one of his blogs about how a progressive party should be building coalitions with organisations in the community that represent those that have been particularly short-changed by neo-liberalism. I don't recall him going into great detail about what that would look like but these groups would be a useful source of policy and on-the-ground support.
These approaches aren't mutually exclusive, but approaching community organisations might be a way of avoiding the problem of parties essentially being "incarnations of their founder's ego" (that's a great phrase, btw!). Maybe with some of these groups behind us, we can bring on some parties that are less personality-focussed.
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Post by johncitizen on Sept 9, 2016 22:59:00 GMT
Good Bad IDK
21st Century Australia Party Animal Justice Party Australian Antipaedophile Party Australian Cyclists Party Australian Defence Veterans Party Australian Equality Party (Marriage) Australian Liberty Alliance Australian Recreational Fishers Party Australian Sex Party Bullet Train for Australia Citizens Electoral Council of Australia Consumer Rights & No-Tolls CountryMinded Drug Law Reform Australia Glenn Lazarus Team Health Australia Party Help End Marijuana Prohibition Jacqui Lambie Network John Madigan's Manufacturing and Farming Party Katter's Australian Party Liberal Democratic Party Mature Australia Party Nick Xenophon Team Non-Custodial Parents Party (Equal Parenting) Online Direct Democracy – (Empowering the People!) Palmer United Party Pirate Party Australia Renewable Energy Party Science Party Secular Party of Australia Seniors United Party of Australia Socialist Alliance Socialist Equality Party The Arts Party The Australian Mental Health Party Voluntary Euthanasia Party
Also consider adding the Greens.
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Post by Nevin on Sept 10, 2016 4:06:55 GMT
Great idea I run for online direct democracy party last election and want us to join forces with sovereign party as they believe in citizen referendum. Cec is not that bad either as maybe the conspiracys are true. Did you know our government is an American registered corporation. Frequently unanswered questions on you tube shows you this and how to beat customs amongst other corporate governance
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Post by Edwin on Sept 11, 2016 1:46:16 GMT
Citizens Electoral Council of Australia - Die hard LaRouchian conspiracy theorists. Strongly for war on drugs, re-establishment of a fixed exchange rate type Bretton Woods system and Glass-Stegall. Isn't Glass-Stegall a good thing? re-establishment of a fixed exchange rate type Bretton Woods system, would be a mistake because then we are back to government spending being constrained by taxation. The Citizens Electoral Council of Australia supports a National Credit Bank. But support for a stronger war on drugs would also be a mistake because the current war on drugs has been a dismal failure. I found this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NJ7Erk2ulQ it goes for almost 2 hours but it's might be something that Iain Dooley would be interested in listening to. I also found this video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=73nicEoqa6g which goes for 15 minutes and 44 seconds. It would seem that the Citizens Electoral Council of Australia would be a natural ally of the Australian Employment Party. As for the other minority parties, this is why I have suggested an alliance or coalition would be the better approach rather than convincing the other parties to be absorbed into a new party when collectively they can all vote the same and if some parties didn't vote with the majority then they would need to be negotiated with, isn't that what democracy is?
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Post by Iain Dooley on Sept 11, 2016 10:43:18 GMT
Thanks everyone for jumping in here. I have some emails from members I have to respond to and have run out of time this week but will check back in and hopefully have time to engage within the next week, thanks!
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Post by jhermans on Oct 21, 2016 3:01:43 GMT
"Isn't Glass-Stegall a good thing?" It was during its time, but is now obsolete from what I've read. The system has changed so much that doubt it is feasible or desirable to reintroduce. That aside it isn't relevant to Australia, it is US legislation which has nothing to do with us. I'm not against the concept, but I think it misses the bigger issues. I have yet to see any MMT or PK economist actually advocated for its reintroduction, so I assume they don't have good reason to.
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Post by jhermans on Oct 21, 2016 4:03:22 GMT
I was talking to a mate of mine about electoral success. Have you considered developing and integrating a rural platform for rural electorates? Might be worth getting something like that into the coalition. The national party inside the LNP is so unrepresentative of rural people you'd think it would be low hanging fruit. I mean half the time they say the Greens are working for them and half the time against them.
I think Lock the Gate anti-CSG, anti-cartel (throw some more money at ACCC and bring in some anti-monopoly Georgist type stuff), infrastructure, incentives for business dev, high speed rail, JG for income security when commodity prices fall, debt jubilee (farmers are massively indebted, I'm sure this would buy lots of votes) would all be easy selling points. At the moment all they seem to get is a few half baked FTAs with vague promises of "boost agricultural exports".
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Post by rod on Dec 6, 2016 7:34:44 GMT
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Post by Iain Dooley on Dec 7, 2016 10:35:35 GMT
rod I actually asked Rod and Zoltan if they wanted to catch up when I was in Melbourne meeting other minor parties recently. They weren't keen
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Post by Iain Dooley on Dec 7, 2016 10:37:18 GMT
jhermans yeah I think that a lot of regional votes could be won over. I am curious about the likes of Rod Culleton
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Post by Michael Sanderson on Jan 1, 2017 7:03:01 GMT
Managed to get round to watching the video EP: 17
I would agree that one significant problem that many parties are essentially "incarnations of their founder's ego". Many of these parties deal with fringe issues that are not of concern to the majority and aligning with them may put off more voters than they attract.
Might I suggest another strategy, rather than formal alignment, approach all parties to agree to support just one simple non-partisan universally socially acceptable policy in return for the AEP acknowledging that party for their support?
That policy is full employment.
In the event that a party did not support the policy the AEP can rightly say that the party concerned does not support employment. Armed with a quote, or even the lack of a response, the language could be simple and aggressive. The AEP could use this approach with all parties, including the majors.
To get traction the AEP must stand out, have one very simple easy bullet proof policy to present to the public that they will support, or not oppose. Although the reasons would vary wildly, who would oppose a policy that would guarantee employment for all?
I would agree with the commentators that Australians are sporting excessive; the “Roman Circus” has been used for millennium to distract and occupy the great unwashed. This is another reason the things should be kept short and simple.
Timing is also of critical importance and considerable preparation needs to be done before formally launching such an initiative. There needs to be a stump speech/presentation that can be easily learnt and repeated by AEP candidates, members, and supporters on the ground. They also would need to be armed with printed information and appropriate responses to curly questions. There is a lot more but I reckon I have waffled on enough.
I know this is putting the cart before the horse as the party has yet to get sufficient member to register. Can anyone advise on current membership?
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Post by Iain Dooley on Jan 1, 2017 8:34:36 GMT
Michael Sanderson I replied as follows in the FB group but will reproduce here for posterity: Thanks Michael Sanderson those are great thoughts. Interestingly, one of the main plans for 2017 is a kind of apolitical conference planned for mid year called the Right 2 Work and a corresponding coalition that we are building in collaboration with members of the AUWU and Fair Money Australia. The goal is to try and get consensus as you say amongst minor parties and NGOs on economic reform and a job guarantee. I see this as a potential focal point for the progressive end of politics to coalesce around in the same way that the right wing coalesce around their hatred of Islam etc. So yes your thinking is very much aligned with or current direction. There is a link in the pinned post which gives you current member numbers and there are also some easy to share snippets explaining the position for people to use on social media to inform others about the party. Thanks for taking the time to ramble and keep on rambling!
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Post by Edwin on Jan 2, 2017 3:29:16 GMT
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