Edwin
Junior Member
Posts: 54
|
Post by Edwin on Aug 3, 2016 10:56:19 GMT
The level of public transport infrastructure is unacceptably low in Australia, especially in Western Australia. The state government is incompetent, the responsibility of building infrastructure should be taken off of the states and territories and given to the commonwealth. Public transport should be 100% federally funded and locally built. Here is a video of an innovation that I have been following for a few years and was surprised that it was actually built: www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpU4RjjJ8k you can find the article here: www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-03/elevated-bus-prototype-begins-trials-in-china/7685932Where are the innovators in Australia? We seem to be content with using old transportation technology e.g. trams, heavy rail, ferries and buses no one is willing to take risks in regards to providing better infrastructure. Here is another technology that I am following: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYCcSMY0vUA
|
|
|
Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 4, 2016 2:10:53 GMT
Yeah the elevated bus thing is so good. But even just an investment in ordinary buses would be a huge step in the right direction.
I remember hearing about some academic research a few years ago (maybe even 7 or 8 years ago) saying how much more effective investment in buses was than investment in trains and light rail.
Basically the reason no one likes taking buses is because they are run so poorly but if you invest in nice buses and timetable them properly so they actually get people to where they need to go they can be really great public transport and the time to get a return on that investment is much faster.
Basically something you can put into place in a matter of months.
Does anyone else remember that research? He was an Australian guy but I can't find the paper ... It'd be good to use that paper as the basis for a public transport proposal would be a good start I think.
I want to post another thread in a different topic about the role of states.
|
|
Edwin
Junior Member
Posts: 54
|
Post by Edwin on Aug 4, 2016 10:46:06 GMT
Yeah the elevated bus thing is so good. But even just an investment in ordinary buses would be a huge step in the right direction. I remember hearing about some academic research a few years ago (maybe even 7 or 8 years ago) saying how much more effective investment in buses was than investment in trains and light rail. Basically the reason no one likes taking buses is because they are run so poorly but if you invest in nice buses and timetable them properly so they actually get people to where they need to go they can be really great public transport and the time to get a return on that investment is much faster. Basically something you can put into place in a matter of months. Does anyone else remember that research? He was an Australian guy but I can't find the paper ... It'd be good to use that paper as the basis for a public transport proposal would be a good start I think. I want to post another thread in a different topic about the role of states. I have always preferred buses over light rail, we don't have light rail in Western Australia. The reason why I prefer buses over light rail is that services can begin to operate a lot sooner then light rail services can as you have mentioned. But the main reason why people dislike taking buses, is due to permanency. Bus frequencies are dependent on patronage, services aren't going to operate every 5 minutes if not enough people are using the services to justify the operational costs of providing that service. The main reason in favour of light rail is that it is permanently in the road, the route isn't changed and there is less chance of the service being cancelled. The elevated bus has the permanency of light rail but doesn't require a lane to be dedicated to it. As for the role of the states, they have dropped the ball and it takes long periods of no infrastructure building until the opposition party is elected. The last major rail infrastructure in Perth was completed in 2007, since then the liberal party have been in government for two terms and extended the northern rail to one additional train station ......... slow clap. For nine years there has not been any significant expansion to the rail network in Perth, this is unacceptable and if the state isn't going to pull it's finger out then I think public transport should be a federal matter because based on the experience in WA, the state government is useless. Was the guy's name Peter Newman? www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzENECOgaF4I also found this: www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/the-future-of-wa-transport-does-not-involve-cars-says-curtin-expert/news-story/50d33ce5241445a71cb7952646039e3e
|
|
|
Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 5, 2016 8:40:07 GMT
Thanks Edwin that guy looks like he's against buses in favour of rail but the guy I was talking about was the other way around. It's interesting read that the TBC in China has said the elevated bus is cheaper to build than conventional bus systems!!
|
|
Edwin
Junior Member
Posts: 54
|
Post by Edwin on Aug 5, 2016 12:13:34 GMT
Thanks Edwin that guy looks like he's against buses in favour of rail but the guy I was talking about was the other way around. It's interesting read that the TBC in China has said the elevated bus is cheaper to build than conventional bus systems!! Does that mean the AEP, is willing to adopt an elevated bus policy based on the report done by the TBC?
|
|
|
Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 6, 2016 9:13:36 GMT
The AEP isn't really adopting any policies yet because we don't have a national executive and we don't have an agreed process for formally adopting policies.
But I would love to have any research posted here and discuss it as a policy proposal.
Did you see my post on formation of the national executive and how we can develop policy?
|
|
Senexx
Junior Member
Posts: 81
|
Post by Senexx on Aug 23, 2016 5:53:04 GMT
Even the Bullet Train proposals are now being delayed. I suspect deliberately. Primarily to see if hyperloop can take its place. To me this a delaying tactic to say we'll do study after study and effectively do nothing.
|
|