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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 8, 2016 6:06:46 GMT
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 8, 2016 11:35:37 GMT
My comments on this are that we need like 20 CSIROs.
Well maybe not 20.
But the government should be taking a much more active role not just in handing out grants to encourage private sector R&D (which, believe me, is more often than not far from being worthy of such a title especially on the software sector ...)
I would like to see fully funded science and innovation institutes primarily focused on sustainable food and water, and energy security.
This is where our brightest minds should be going.
Not trying to figure out how to get more people to click on Ads online or how to trick kids into buying virtual hay for their virtual horses in free to play apps.
The private sector will not create these opportunities because they are too risky. Too long term.
We need government to properly fund but also properly orchestrate investment in the really hard problems and then leave commercialisation up to the private sector which is what it does best.
This is, however specifically not what a Job Guarantee is.
I classify government spending into a few buckets: providing infrastructure and public works, health & education, welfare and social security, research and development, and maintaining full employment through a job guarantee.
But job guarantee jobs need to have some basic characteristics in order to be successful and major public works and R&D do not have those characteristics.
You can find my discussion of those characteristics on the sticky post on the full employment policy board.
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Post by Lyndal on Aug 8, 2016 12:00:14 GMT
Hi Iain,
Yes I agree that JG is a good fit for R&D projects which require some medium to long-term certainty, versus say CSIRO/permanent general public service agencies and departments which could leverage off the more dynamic JG inputs. These are just my preliminary thoughts. I'd be interested to learn how others see this sort of scheme operating alongside the public service.
My primary concern is that JG stays *well* clear of anything remotely resembling a "bullshit" job, but actually utilises technical skill-sets and accreditations / qualifications of JG "candidates" to the maximum extent possible.
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 8, 2016 13:54:15 GMT
Yes absolutely the notion that a JG will create busy work that doesn't achieve anything is the number one enemy. Maybe we need a board dedicated purely to researching what these jobs would be. I don't want to just brainstorm but really dig into the literature and find concrete examples of what we are really talking about. I know Bills paper I have linked to elsewhere on this board has some info on it but also he mentioned to me the other day that he actually sent out a survey to local councils and found out what types of jobs they need done. Perhaps instead of just talking about "community job proposals" we should start talking to people in our own communities and finding out what types of jobs we would create. I'll put this on my list of topics to create ... I think this could be a really good promotional exercise too hey timothymarkjones
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Post by timothymarkjones on Aug 8, 2016 22:17:40 GMT
It's a very good idea. Collating JG lists would help our cause a great deal. I wonder where to start. A list of volunteer organisations? Will have a thing.
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Post by Lyndal on Aug 8, 2016 23:43:21 GMT
Good idea.
I have a thought which is probably more appropriate for a different thread, but I have an underlying concern that to the extent a JG scheme looks to fill community needs, it may through unconscious bias (or active prejudices) exclude large numbers of individuals in the arts sector. That is, I would not have a high degree of confidence in many communities stating that they "need" arts sector jobs filled. I guess that's where the appeal of UBI has got the slight edge over JG. It would allow those whose interests lie purely in pursuing their art for its own sake some degree of socio-economic security, and benefit the Australian community on a cultural level merely by existing.
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Post by Senexx on Aug 9, 2016 2:06:54 GMT
Lyndal, I noticed one particular form of Art in my town the other day that seems to be required from time to time and that's the painting of murals. In my town we have one on the pylons of our bridge, one on the wall outside of a shop, I don't think its there any more but we had one on our skate park, one in our sporting and recreation area & I didn't even know that one was there.
The ones outside the shop and under the bridge were done by the local indigenous community the one in the sporting area were done by the disabled and sporting groups. If memory serves, two or three local artists did the one at the skate park.
I know that's only one form of the arts; to an extent I think you are correct but I don't think it'll be overlooked as often as you think.
Good to have you on board.
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 9, 2016 20:29:14 GMT
If you think about it Lyndal we already a have lots of arts activity driven by the community, it's just that most people can't afford to buy the art. So musicians regularly play at pubs but don't get paid very well if at all to do it. We have lots of exhibitions but painters and sculptors rarely sell all their work. The private sector needs to be able to hire artists so for example when there is demand for pub culture they can afford to hire musicians but in a JG capacity I think the festival model works well. We already have local councils and communities doing lots of festivals which engage artists and employees of a range of skill levels. It's just not properly funded. There is always an element of a community which says they don't need art but they are in the minority. Most councils and community groups love art and culture and know that the people react well to it, otherwise we wouldn't see things like Vivid in Sydney or the Tamworth Country music festival. The desire is there to be a culture rich society we just don't have the money.
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 14, 2016 11:22:11 GMT
Hey timothymarkjones, I think this is something ALL members could do. Getting into the community in any way possible and finding out what people think we could get a JG to do and then collating the results is something very powerful and "grass roots" that everyone could get involved with. I'm going to start a fresh thread in the Full Employment policy discussion section about just this.
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Post by timothymarkjones on Aug 17, 2016 20:30:00 GMT
Sure. Am looking to talking to groups like Rotary to determine what sort of jobs need funding. It's going to be interesting.
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Post by Senexx on Sept 7, 2016 1:41:40 GMT
The catch will be you will need certificates in all these before you can even begin to act.
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