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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 19, 2016 3:27:08 GMT
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rod
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Post by rod on Aug 20, 2016 3:28:54 GMT
After reading the first few pages and seeing all the assumptions, utility maximizing static representative household, Government that runs a balanced budget, everything is in equilibrium, full employment, wages adjust to clear the labour market etc not sure of the value of their conclusions.
It all comes back to the purpose of taxation. MMT framework we are not seeking to raise revenue for Fed Govt Taxes are for stabilizing the purchasing power of the currency, To express public policy ensuring equality in wealth and income To express public policy in subsidizing or penalizing various industries etc. To isolate and assess directly the costs of certain national benefits ie infrastructure
This paper is looking at the efficiencies of various taxes, I imagine that is looking at the costs imposed versus revenue raised, so is tax efficiency a problem in a MMT framework ?
I see the value of an LVT for ensuring equality in wealth and income and for penalizing various industries eg Developers land banking not sure about pursuing tax reforms for efficiency.
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 20, 2016 5:57:19 GMT
Hey rod thanks very much for looking at it and for your input. As a general approach to policy, what I'd like to try and do is take papers like this and do exactly as you just did: look at their comments and proposals through the lens of our frameworks (in the case of economics this is MMT). We can therefore discount or leave out things that make no sense and record why we are leaving that out, but then cherry pick the good bits and explain why we are including those. By doing this we can then put together policy proposals that are detailed without actually having to do all the original research and proposals ourselves. Do you think you could do that for this paper? Like quote sections here for analysis in an MMT context, and do you think that would have the potential to allow us to put together a real tax reform package? At the moment I have a tax *strategy* as you have noted above, which is provided by MMT, but no tax *tactics*. Also happy to start from other bases but it was the land tax that interested me as that is one that I have seen around heterodox circles and seems politically appealing. Thanks again!
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rod
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Post by rod on Aug 20, 2016 7:49:57 GMT
I don't think there is much in that paper to discuss its about efficiency of taxes ie how much revenue you end up with after the effort/cost of collection, from an MMT framework I don't think that's important, since we are not raising taxes for revenue.
Tax reform, that vexed question, you really have to ask what needs reforming and why. Are they inefficient, is that a problem ? Are taxes progressive/regressive like the GST. Do taxes and concessions have undesirable outcomes ie Super, CGT and negative gearing.
Stamp duties,conveyancing and other State taxes were supposed to disappear over the years with the advent of the GST, but States have hung on to their revenue.
Do we want to take all taxing away from the states and just use grants, horizontal fiscal equalization, or do we make sure they get rid of all there silly little inefficient taxes and just use an LVT.
Or do we go full Georgist just use a "land" tax and eliminate taxes on labour and corporate income altogether.
Economists since Adam Smith have observed that, unlike other taxes, a public levy on land value does not cause economic inefficiency. A land value tax is often said to have progressive tax effects, in that it is paid primarily by the wealthy (the landowners), and it cannot be passed on to tenants, workers, or users of land. Land value capture would reduce economic inequality, increase wages, remove incentives to misuse real estate, and reduce the vulnerability that economies face from credit and property bubbles
From an economic view "land" can include
extractable resources (minerals and hydrocarbons) severables (forests and stocks of fish) extraterrestrial domains (geosynchronous orbits and airway corridor use) legal privileges tied to location (taxi medallions, billboard and development permits, or the monopoly of electromagnetic frequencies) restrictions/taxes on pollution or severance (tradable emission permits and fishing quotas) Right-of-way (transportation) used by railroads, utilities, and internet service providers issuance of legal tender (see seigniorage) privileges that are less location dependent but that still exclude others from natural opportunities (patents)
Current LNP "tax reform" is just tax cuts to business and high income earners, maybe a little tinkering on super concessions but changes to Capital Gains discounts and Negative gearing look unlikely. Really not much more than pushing their small Government ideology and by reducing taxes they are trying to ensure constraint on future Governments since nobody wants to increase taxes to fund Govt services.
If it aint broke don't fix it
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Post by Senexx on Aug 22, 2016 4:54:40 GMT
Throw in the Henry Tax Review too.
Keep in mind that tax revenue is still required. From an MMT purpose to offset inflation. It is also required for other legal purposes depending on how the legal institutions and structures have been defined. This is why the Modern Money Network (MMN) emphasises a multidisciplinary approach.
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Post by Iain Dooley on Aug 24, 2016 2:31:03 GMT
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